this is as aggressive as it's ever been. your thoughts. >> well, i think what's happening in iowa isn't good. but what people have to understand, and this goes to martha's point, is that there are so many of these restrictions on access to abortion that are flying under the radar screen. once in a while it pops up. but it's important that you're having this on your show tonight so that people realize, i mean, there have been 400 bills dropped in stitt legislatures this year just on access to abortion. and so it's important that we realize, yes, iowa, north dakota, mississippi, and arkansas -- >> it almost brings the women's movement, martha, to a new age of activism. i mean, it's just got to be constant, doesn't it? >> yes. and listen, i'm not thrilled that we have to do it, that we have to revisit this fight. there's a reason we had it in the first place. it's because before roe v. wade women were dying. >> sure. >> we know what life was like before women had access to the full range of reproductive health care services that are guaranteed by the constitution. we know what life was like for women before roe v. wade.